“Fury, outrage, disappointment, betrayal” were the words bandied about, the tone of voice noticeably harsh. In telephone interviews I conducted with community leaders in Johannesburg this week, there was no escaping the fact that South Africa’s Jewish community was incensed.
This Yom Kippur, had Judge Richard Goldstone asked for forgiveness, which he didn’t, he would have found that even the most virtuous members of his old community could not bring themselves to grant it. From their golden boy, he has gone to being the wicked son.
There is palpable anger at Goldstone within the mainstream South African Jewish community; a feeling that one of their own has betrayed them, sold them out. Not simply one of their own, but one of their most respected representatives, someone they held in high esteem, a champion of the new South Africa. Here, the much-respected judge has fallen a long way since publishing his scathing report accusing Israel of war crimes in Gaza; his once formidable stature shattered, his golden aura blackened. The once-brave judge who opened up apartheid’s can of worms and took on Yugoslav and Rwandan war criminals, did not do the brave thing this time – he did not defend Israel against the Human Rights Council onslaught. He did the opposite – he lent his standing, his Jewishness, to the attack on his people.
If during Operation Cast Lead a small minority of South Africa’s Jews signed a petition of “not in my name,” then the vast majority of the community is now saying “not in my name” to Goldstone.
Very few people think Goldstone did the right thing by taking the job of heading the UN Human Rights Council fact-finding mission into the Gaza operation. There is some appreciation that his report did, for the first time, criticize Hamas, but there is overwhelming rejection of Goldstone himself and his report’s conclusion.
“He sold us out,” said an angry Ze’ev Krengel, the usually soft-spoken, liberal, Zionist chairman of the South African Board of Governors. “The damage has been done. He proved that terrorism works, that if you fight from within your own civilians you can win.”
Community leaders had a bad feeling about the commission from the start. They were convinced that its mandate was flawed, despite Goldstone’s inclusion of a probe against Hamas, and that the members of the commission had already shown themselves to be biased against Israel. With all that proof, they believe, Goldstone should never have taken on the job.
“If [former United Nations high commissioner for human rights] Mary Robinson refused to lead the mission, how could judge Goldstone agree to it?” Krengel asked.
Why did Goldstone take the job? The cynical argue that at his advanced age (Goldstone is 71), he was looking for ways to keep his name in the spotlight, to keep himself relevant. Some think he is vying for the position of next UN secretary-general, and that his latest work will endear him to the large non-aligned bloc. People who know him believe he acted out of arrogance; that he thought he could get another high-profile feather in his cap. Others think he truly, naively believed he could make the commission more impartial and more balanced because of who he was: a judge and a Jew. Still others who know him well believe his heart was truly in the right place, even if he was sometimes too ambitious.
In the end, there is almost wall-to-wall agreement in the community that Goldstone took on a flawed case, and that he has sullied his good name.
GOLDSTONE’S REPORT has capped what has been a very difficult year for South Africa’s Jews. The trouble started during the IDF’s Gaza operation in January. First came the anti-Semitic tirade by former deputy foreign minister Fatima Hajaig at a pro-Palestinian rally in the Lenasia township outside of Johannesburg at the height of the fighting.
“No matter which [US] government comes into power, whether Republican or Democratic, whether Barack Obama or George Bush, the control of America, just like the control of most Western countries, is in the hands of Jewish money, and if Jewish money controls their country, you cannot expect anything else,” Hajaig said.
The Jewish Board of Deputies, usually wary of rocking the boat, went after Hajaig with everything they had, demanding a retraction and apology. They got a tepid apology, but the incident made many in the community feel very uncomfortable.
Next came an aggressive and sustained anti-Israel campaign by the country’s largest trade union, COSATU, one of whose top officials said his organization “would make life hell” for Zionists and their supporters. South African Jews took that to mean them, and COSATU never dissociated itself from those comments.
This incident was followed by a COSATU-affiliated labor group refusing to offload Israeli-made goods from a ZIM ship docked at Durban Harbor. That action, while ultimately unsuccessful, received a lot of press coverage.
Next came the fiasco at the Limmud conference held last August. David Benjamin, a South African-born Israeli serving in the IDF Military Advocate-General’s unit during Cast Lead, was brought out to the conference to talk about Israel. When the South African branch of the Palestine Solidarity Committee (PSC)got wind of Benjamin’s visit, they accused him of being a war criminal – arguing that his position in the army made him responsible for allowing attacks on civilian targets – laid a charge against him at a Johannesburg police station and demanded his arrest. This was, of course, picked up by the media.
The situation got worse when the PSC, at an acrimonious demonstration outside the annual Jewish learning seminar, accused WITS University’s Vice Chancellor Loyiso Nongxa of hosting a “war criminal” on the university’s Parktown campus, where Limmud had rented out lecture halls. Furthermore, the PSC accused Jewish security guards at the Limmud conference of “apartheid-style” racial profiling by not allowing black students onto the campus during the conference, a charge denied by witnesses at the event.
The vice chancellor, under intense pressure from the PSC, responded to the charges by establishing a committee of inquiry into the matter, led by another respected Jewish South African anti-apartheid activist and human rights champion, Geoff Bundlender. Nongxa, in an e-mail sent to the entire WITS staff, said he was “appalled at what is happening in the Middle East… at atrocities committed against civilians” – and Nongxa wasn’t referring to the civilians of Sderot. Bundlender, who has been interviewing Limmud and PSC officials, is expected to release his report in the coming days.
Finally, and perhaps most significantly, an aggressive anti-Israel demonstration, organized by the PSC and led by anti-Zionist Jewish politician Ronnie Kasrils, was held after Cast Lead outside the main Jewish community center in Johannesburg, and not, as in the past, outside the Israeli Embassy in Pretoria.
This sent out a message that the Jewish community, and not just Israel, was being targeted, according to Geoff Sifrin, editor of the South African Jewish Report.
“This was the first time that a Jewish institution was targeted, and it led to a feeling of embattlement,” Sifrin told the Post.
ALL OF these events of the past year combined to put the Jewish community in an uncomfortable position, a sense of accumulating discomfort. And it is into this maelstrom that Goldstone’s report, with its scathing and unbalanced attack on Israel, landed with such force. A sense of sustained embattlement, mixed with disgust at his “betrayal,” has given birth to the fury at Goldstone. Here was a respected Jewish judge vindicating the accusation made by the PSC: that, in essence, David Benjamin was a war criminal, that Israeli soldiers could be considered war criminals. With his report, Goldstone went a step too far for the mainstream South African Jewish community.
There are, however, more nuanced voices among some in the Jewish community who know Goldstone very well, and who feel that the blame should be shared by the Israelis. The sense among these people is that in the absence of Israeli cooperation with the Goldstone mission and a genuine attempt to investigate the IDF’s actions, the report could never have been balanced. They posit that Goldstone was not reacting to a perception of Israeli excess, and that he is far too objective to have been influenced by the perceptions of others.
Without a doubt, Operation Cast Lead has caused tremendous harm to Israel’s reputation in South Africa. Some in the Jewish community see the attempt to minimize Gazan civilian casualties as essentially backfiring, primarily because of the extent to which it lengthened the conflict. The net result was bad publicity for Israel, week after week.
Even though Goldstone hasn’t lived among them for years (he lives in London), local Jews are very upset, especially since many in South Africa know the Goldstone family and have taken pride in the fact that one of their own was such a global champion of human rights. They feel that Goldstone has been coopted, drawn into the ongoing, increasing anti-Israel movement. According to Krengel, Sifrin and others, the vast majority of South African Jews can be characterized as very Zionist.
“That’s not to say they’re not open to Israel being criticized – they are. But it has to be within reason,” Krengel told the Post. “It’s so sad that a respected elder member of the tribe would bash Israel so unfairly.”
South African Jews who are considered – by the official Jewish community leadership – to be anti-Zionist make up about 10 percent of the community, but they are a vocal minority with a lot of colorful characters.
“I’d say the South African Jewish community is made up of 90% staunchly pro-Israel people, and 10% staunchly anti-Israel, and Goldstone is very much part of latter group,” said Krengel, the top Jewish official. Only a small proportion of Jews in South Africa would agree with what Goldstone has done and support the findings of his commission, he added.
Krengel and the others, who preferred to remain anonymous, say they are “very, very angry” at Goldstone.
“In the end, the biggest loser will be Richard Goldstone, who will go down in history as the person who judged Israel unfairly,” said Krengel. “He had the power to right the wrongs [of the anti-Israeli Human Rights Council], but he didn’t. He did the opposite.”
Excellent summary of South African reaction.
I wrote to Goldstone, received a reply from him and just challenged his response to me:
To: Judge Richard Goldstone
From: Barbara Press
Dear Richard
Our paths have crossed many times compelling me to correspond directly with you. I pray your indulgence that you hear me out by reading to the end of my missive. In fact I ask you to share my letter with Noleen from beginning to end and to respond with your thoughts.
It has been a while since (inspired by you as head of ORT South Africa) I, together with Rabbi Bernard at Oxford Shule, established a school to teach the Killarney-Houghton Black domestic workers how to write, read, sew, cook and drive. It has been a while since you praised my father Hubert Press as one of the finest business brains you had ever encountered. It was been a while since I dined with you, Noleen, David and Marilyn Rivkin, discussing opera.
Jewish life has been crying out for a man of the stature of Adolph Cremieux, of Justice Louis Brandeis, of Sir Moses Montefiore, people of the highest integrity and purpose. For those who champion their own people are remembered forever in the annals of history. But those who are self-serving are lost in a trail of ignominy.
South African Jewry stand tall and your efforts in championing Truth and Reconciliation in South Africa were applauded and earned you a reputation as a man of stature.
I am bewildered by the direction you have taken as part of the United Nations Human Rights Council. This rogue Council has been tainted by a membership that does not condemn Iranian tyranny, Chinese oppression, African despotism but spends their time condemning one country unjustly, Israel.
The Goldstone Commission bears your name. One would expect the mandate of any report to be objective so that your name could be respected and a legacy ensured. Instead your committee ignored the facts, embraced bias and rendered the report bearing your name, illegitimate.
You tried to defend yourself in the New York Times but it was transparent and not effective. You could have resigned from the commission and retained your integrity. You knew that Israel faced 12000 Grads and Kassams from its Iran backed terror base of Gaza, 8000 irreversibly traumatizing the families and children of Sderot.
You knew that the U.N. never passed one resolution condemning these deadly missiles. You knew that before and during Operation Cast Lead Israel made thousands of cell phone calls to warn civilians. You knew that Israel sent thousands of texts to warn civilians. You knew that Israel dropped hundreds of thousands of leaflets in Arabic (I managed to obtain one of these as evidence) to warn civilians. You knew that Israel aborted operations to avoid civilian deaths. You knew that Israel set up medical facilities on the edge of Gaza to treat civilians. You knew that Israel dropped supplies of food into Gaza to feed civilians.
You also knew that Hamas operatives are not “civilians”. You knew that not only were they not civilians but that they hid behind their own civilians to fire on Israeli civilians. You knew that they misused ambulances for military purposes. You knew that mosques and schools were used for Hamas depots and launching pads. You knew that Hamas operatives kill or shoot at the legs of any Gazans refusing to target Israel. The video footage and U-tube sequences are still available for any and all of us to witness.
You clearly knew that one of your team members had condemned Israel in a published letter even before the conclusion of the incursion or the beginning of your investigation. But you did not resign or distance yourself from the hypocrisy of this illegitimate report.
Instead a tedious 500-page report of the 3 week battle was padded with pages from the tainted U.N. mockery of Israel’s security barrier (misnamed the “wall”). What a sad indictment of the charter of the United Nations.
Richard, you were indeed a respected legal giant in Johannesburg. This report did not arise from ignorance or naivete. I am trying so hard to resist the conclusion that your role and report might represent a self-serving desire to ingratiate yourself for a more senior position in the kangaroo court called the United Nations. But if true-and one hopes that this is not the case-at what price?
Association with the infamous U.N. garners no respect in the USA so why would anyone seek to be head inmate at the U.N. Asylum?
I have been very direct as South Africans are wont to be. But many of us South Africans have been tainted by the perfidy of the Goldstone report. This is the Jewish time of Judgment when the scales of fate are entered in the book of life and we all need to look into our souls. I am not sure how you could comfortably extricate yourself. Perhaps we could discuss this face to face.
Good Yomtov to you, Noleen and your family.
Regards
Barbara Press Fix
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I was compelled to challenge Richard Goldstone’s response to my letter. His comparison of Israel with Apartheid South Africa was opportunistic as I too experienced the South African reality and know them to be the ying and yang of morality. His challenge that I would condemn Israel if I visited Gaza is naive or worse. We all know how hothouses and synagogues were desecrated within days of Israel leaving Gaza, and that Hamas rules but holocaust denier Abbas and Fatah are not any different. And then Richard sanctimoniously pretends to be making Israel a more moral country but pointing out its flaws. How iniquitous to want bring Israel before the Geneva Human Rights Council and then the General Assembly for defending themselves.
Hence the following letter sent to Richard Goldstone. (And you are welcome to share it
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Dear Richard
I am appreciative of the time you took to respond. Most importantly my conscience compels me to challenge your justification referencing South Africa. It is opportunistic to equate the iniquity of an Apartheid regime which institutionalized racially based cruelty, with Israel’s IDF defense against unremitting terrorism while invoking the Jewish peace-seeking tenets of morality based on Mitzvot and Tikkun Olam. (I am not religious but this morality is my guiding light).
You suggest I approximate “truth” by visiting Gaza but you have to consider the source of what you hold up to be the “truth”. I exhort you to reference erudite Middle Eastern scholars, authorities on Islam such as Professor Emeritus of Princeton, the esteemed Bernard Lewis, to comprehend that Islam’s injunction to “truth” is subordinate to achieving the destruction of their enemies … at all cost. Truth is irrelevant. One has only to look at the Arabic-English translations of speeches by Arab leaders to see the antithesis of “truth”. Remember the proudly proclaimed sentiment in Durban by Arafat in Arabic? “Lying is a mitzvah if the result advances Islam”! These then are the “witnesses” on whose word you relied.
I would like to share with you the reaction of my S. African born son. Initially speaking no Hebrew, Paul took leave of absence from football teammates and college for three years to help defend Israel from Terrorism. (Last week he entered the first year of the NYU MBA program). Paul was promoted into a top “Sayeret” (combat unit) called Egoz and gained more insight than you and I have, into the minds and motives of the Terrorists he was called upon to arrest. (Incidentally he mirrors the intelligence, nature and integrity of my father Hubert whom you so respected). He speaks frequently of the inherent morality of the Israeli Defense Force. He was dumbstruck that you would issue a judgment devoid of official testimony or defense from the Israelis that you purported to “objectively” judge, and then unfairly condemned. There is no doubt that were this honest enlightened Soldier part of your UN team he would render your one-sided “findings” as baseless, and condemn the Goldstone commission as “Heresy”.
To surgically dissect and correct 500 pages of extensive condemnations would be time consuming so I will spotlight the most egregious. Pages 174 to 182 clearly show misleading documentation. You refer to Jan 15th and Israel’s attack of Palestinian terrorists using the Al Quds Hospital as a base. Israel referenced their intelligence findings as well as media. Israel’s own report had specifically cited a news report saying gunman had hijacked the hospital, seized ambulances, forced ambulance drivers and nurses to remove uniforms with paramedic symbols to blend and elude Israeli snipers etc. The Corriere Della Sera information confirms and justifies Israel’s action.
Furthermore, “intent” is a critical element of International law. The intent of Hamas is to kill all of Israel’s civilians, while Israel’s reprisals are to protect her territorial sovereignty and citizens, with minimal collateral injury to any civilians intended. (See my previous letter and refer to the Hamas Charter).
Richard, while there are people whom history will chose to bury like Ronny Kasrils and Desmond Tutu, we will always be proud of the leaders of substance born in South Africa such as Jan Christian Smuts, Abba Eban, and Nelson Mandela. But the most astounding HERO was Frederik Willem De Klerk who reversed his views of Apartheid and changed the course of South African history 180 degrees, steering it toward Democracy.
In the same way, only you can mitigate the damage inflicted by false witnesses and false accusations of “war crimes and “crimes against humanity” invoked to besmirch the integrity of a country trying to protect its citizens and I cannot reconcile that you would accept the label of “quisling” rather than Richard Goldstone the man with a Legacy of Leadership.
If you choose to remain with the UN, you could be a courageous Jewish hero swimming against the tide at that institution tainted or debilitated as it is by obsessive anti-Zionism, rather than a South African pariah among your Jewish people. You embody the qualities, the ability and influence to improve the reputation of the UN, which has reached such a low point. To regain credibility the UN needs the direction of members from stable democratic countries with lofty ideals and sage leadership to once again garner the respect of the world.
Best wishes
Barbara Press Fix
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During the years of apartheid, the racist government of South Africa enjoyed the support of the overwhelmingly majority of its Jewish community. (Reciprocally, South Africa’s Sun City was a favorite vacationing spot for Israeli Jews, some of whom had emigrated from South Africa.) When a lone rabbi spoke to his congregation against South Africa’s racist system, he was verbally attacked and marginalized. It is only because of their economic clout, that the government of Jacob Zuma and those of the ANC who preceded him, that the SA government has not branded the majority of the Jewish community of SA for what it was and evidently remains, a nest of racists. To be attacked by them is a badge of honor that Goldstone should proudly, if sadly, wear.
Thank you Judge Goldstone for your courage. Thank you for taking on what for you was probably a difficult task. Thank you for risking the hatred of many in the Jewish community who attack those who expose the crimes of Israel, crimes that they would prefer to sweep under the rug.
Thank you for giving hope to those of us in the Jewish community who have long been appalled at Israel’s brutal occupation of the the West Bank and Gaza, who stand firmly opposed to the ongoing confiscation of Palestinian lands, who believe that targeted assassinations by Israel are illegal and immoral, who believe that Israel has no interest in a just peace until it controls as much land as possible with as few Palestinians as possible on that land.
Judge Goldstone, you are a mensch and deserve to go down in history as a man of courage. Thank you.
Who cares if he is Jewish? The Arab-controlled Human Rights Council tasked half a dozen people for this investigation and no one would pick it up, not even Mary Robinson who said…”This investigation is about politics, not human rights.”
Dubiously, Goldstone the self-described “Zionist” picks up the bill and lauds himself as a strong supporter of Israel. The Arab tribes were foaming at the mouth at this point, already knowing what the verdict will be: Guilty.
IJC cleared allied forces in Iraq and Afghanistan of any wrongdoings during the conflict. They’ve killed far more civilians, in much more heavy-handed approach, and do not use half the cautions Israel does.
So if Americans and British kids are safe, so are the Jews. Truly absurd how homicidal Palestinians get to boast about how horrible Israel is when the Jews literally phone Hamas hours before an attack. Who does that? The recent UN development index puts the Palestinians standard of living HIGHER THAN EGYPT!
Those who say this conflict is somehow a response to “occupation” need to go #$#@ themselves. There is more poverty in Egypt, Indonesia, and Bolivia. Pals built a casino, an airport, universities, move theaters, shopping malls, mansions in Paris and London, all while conducting endless Jihad against Israel while claiming eternal victimhood.
Most of these Pals have a martyer-dome complex. Infants dreaming about suicide bombings, children reciting poems about the evil Zionists…why should Israel deprive these monsters of their desire for paradise? The Jews have NO right to stop Pals from reaching the gates of heaven with 72 virgins…give them what they want….in the form of a nice fat Israeli JDAM.
Then there will be peace.
Anyone who read Goldstone’s conclusions at South African reconciliation commission would have known his conclusions on Gaza beforehand
How dare Goldstone accuse Israel of “disproportionate force.”
All attempts at “proportionate force” were met with continued rocket fire. So what was Israel supposed to do? Depend on South Africa to get the terrorists to stop? Simply grin and bear it?
And to compare Israel to South Africa’s apartheid policies? While no doubt there is discrimination is Israel against Israeli Arabs, anyone who knows anything about the right of Israeli Arabs (and even Palestinians) for redress in the Supreme Court in Israel knows how absurd this is.
Moreover, if one is inclined to compare the Israel (with regard to the Palestinian territories) to SA’s apartheid policies, try to imagine the SA response to a single rocket sent from Soweto to a white area. From Wikipedia, we find the South African response to mere demonstrations:
“Soweto Uprising
Soweto came to the world’s attention on June 16, 1976 with the Soweto Uprising, when mass protests erupted over the government’s policy to enforce education in Afrikaner rather than English. Police opened fire in Orlando West on 10,000 students[16] marching from Naledi High School to Orlando Stadium, and in the events that unfolded, 566 people died [17]. The impact of the Soweto protests reverberated through the country and across the world. In their aftermath, economic and cultural sanctions were introduced from abroad. Political activists left the country to train for guerrilla resistance. Soweto and other townships became the stage for violent state repression. Since 1991 this date and the schoolchildren have been commemorated by the International Day of the African Child.”
Dear hmpierson,
It is very good indeed to listen to the voice of reason and fact without re-writing history as many anti-Israel writers here do.
It is people who are educated about Islam and jihad that spread the truth, and that gives me hope because I know for sure you are not alone. All one need do is check out jihadwatch(dot)org to or Atlasshrugs(dot)com to find many who have done the research and speak the truth. I should also mention Geert Wilders who is being persecuted for speaking the truth across the pond.
Read the comments on those sites and you will be greatly heartened!
G-d Bless,
JH
If Israel had been ”black” and Gaza ”white’, Goldstone would have supported Israel. His actions are political. He is no longer a lawyer. He is a politician seeking office.
He did not look at all the evidence. There was not time in the few short days he was in Gaza for him to decide which aspects to look at, never mind to examine it as seriously as his conscience should have instructed him. He chose the facts he wished to consider relevant and slept through the rest.
What Richard Goldstone has done is equivalent to the brothers selling Joseph into slavery. He has sold his soul in exchange for a worthless feather in his cap. Millions of Jews around the world hear his name in disgust, I pity his soul when it goes back to his creator.
Shame on you old man for succumbing to the anti-Semitic HRC and giving credence to their ongoing venom against G-D’s Holy Land. Your family and community should be ashamed to be associated with you.
Your going right up there right next to Mr Bernard Madoff for all-time Jewish Scumbags.
Richard Goldstone is almost a prophet in his time; a man of wisdom integrity and truth. The negative and vitriolic responses to what he did in response to his conscience and duty is an indictment on those who speak against him rather than the opposite. The world is in dire need of more Richard Goldstones for it to rise from the quagmire of moral decay and twisted morality.
The Jewish people should be proud of who and what he is. History shall speak kindly of them when the name of Goldstone is mentioned. Truth when spoken disturbs in world where untruth is a norm.
i am proud of Judge Goldstone both as a south african and a human being.
to goldstone’s attention, the iranian and palestinian leaders are soaking their people in violence.
students of gandhi, deak, king should nurture decency in gaza, and not shield the hamas terror.
Useful blog post definitely a good contribution to the web.
I am not sure how good or useful is this blog post but both it and the supporting comments by Goldstone’s critics represent just the latest evidence, as if more of such garbage was needed, of the racism, Jewish chauvinism, whatever one wishes to call it, that permeates Zionism and those of its adherents, as much as Nazism contaminated those Germans who subscribed to its equally racist and noxious philosophy.
THIS IS NOT A GOOD BLOGG POST FOR YOUR CONVOLUTED,MISGUIDED, IGNORANT, BIASED AND HATE FILLED RETHORIC
which is only a hate filled anti semetic diatribe against the Jewish people under the guise of anti Zionism.
My only wish is that your own nation/religion had undergone the suffering, wholesale slaughter and gross injustices done to Jews since the beginning of time and see how you would feel about this horrendous injustice.YOU BRAIN DEAD MUTE.
It is people like you that support the hatred of Jews and Israel and it is about time your conscience, if you have one at all, would allow 4 million Jews to live in peace in their ancestral homeland, a tiny slither of land along the Eastern Mediterranean Sea. This land that was previously desert and barely habitable prior to the Jews regaining their homeland in 1948 and returning from exile, this after being dispossessed of this land and sent into exile by the Greeks, Romans and Babylonians, well before Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddism and certainly long before the Palestinians even existed.
Palestinians are simply Bedouins that moved into this land from neighbouring Arab lands after the Jews were exiled.
Jerusalem, the Temple Mount and the subsequent buliding of the Dome of the Rock epitomises the relationship of the historical relevance of the Jewish and the Arab claim to the Holyland – go and read an elementary book on history and religion which will attest to this religious and historic fact.
It is morally bankrupt, indecent, unconscionable, hate filled people like Hitler, Ajad and yourself that are of the opinion that 10 million Jews or perhaps 15 million worldwide, at a push, control the governments and finances of the Western world -how stupid and naive are you?.
Sadly the world is dominated by ignorant, vile, moronic vicious cowards like youself that are always seeking a victim or a scapegoat to make you feel better about your own miserably failed existence or as a target to direct your frustration and inadequacies towards.
You and your ilk like scum would not know the difference between justice and injustice unless it was visited upon you or your family personally -go to hell !!!
Israel must defend its people its historical homeland and say no to bombs,suicide bombers,Islamic extremists, you and other would be anihilators.
Where are your bloggs about 9/11 the London, Madrid and Bali bombings, beheadings of Americans in Iraq, Muslim suicide bombers killing other Muslims in Iraq.
Bury your shameful head until biased evil racial prejudice, unsolicited misery, mayhem, murder and slaughter of innocents including women and children knocks on your front door.
Laurie, may you live a long and happy life for exposing the truth about the hatred and lies foisted upon the ever persecuted Jews.
And as you point out, mathematically, it would be impossible for fifteen million Jews WORLDWIDE to control the finances of all of the major (or even minor) countries in the west or anywhere else.
There are 1.2 BILLION Muslims worldwide, what do they contribute to the world? Things like science, medicine, law, and many other fields too numerous to mention like the Jews do? I’d be curious ratio-wise how they would compare with the Jews. How do they improve the lives of others?
All Islam is about is converting by whatever means, all of the world, every single human to their barbaric middle ages way of life. Or if that is not possible, kill them.
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So pleased to enjoy such a entertaining post that does not fall back on base posturing to get the topic fulfilled. Thank you for a great read.
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Un homme qui a trahi le peuple Juif il ne peux rentre dans une synagogue uniquement pour ce pardonnee.
There is no better comment than Jeff’s, above, to understand the mindset of the few who set the terms of inquiry and the larger group of London bien-pensants who provided the intellectual environment into which a willing Goldstone has been pleased to pour himself. Has the soup boiled yet?
Godstone is a terrible human being and I am glad that this step was taken, he should excluded from every jewish event. I know the goyim will not understand but its the emotion of being Jewish that i am speaking off
This article is entirely mistaken is its premise that Goldstone was an apartheid hero. The opposite is true: Goldstone of the apartheid era was a man who built a career and gathered influence in high places precisely by always doing what was easy. When apartheid ruled strong, he lived with it quite well and built his life based upon it, and NEVER did anything significant to challenge it, certainly not as risk to himself.
Then, when the tide began to turn and he felt the shifting winds, he shifted with them: Only then was it an opportune time to identify with equality and human rights.
Remember when black crimes were tried and white crimes were not? Goldstone does, and had no problem with it. Not trying whites isn’t a reason not to hold trials for blacks! Even if those who justify not judging whites are exactly those who judge the blacks!
In exactly the same way, not holding vicious, tyrannical governments accountable for the human rights of their citizens doesn’t mean the UN shouldn’t judge Israel, even with those tyrannical regimes influencing the appointment of the judges!
Jews of South Africa, our adoration of Judge Goldstone has ALWAYS been misplaced. He hasn’t changed at all. It is we who have finally awoken, alas too late.
Now, when the entire world delegitimizes the very existence of the State of Israel and stands with those who openly support genocide, it is opportune for Goldstone to lend that world his legal and moral credence. And that is what he has done.
Let South African Jewry continue to do what is no longer opportune at all: To champion TRUE human rights, which include democracy, freedom, and the defense of innocent human lives with all needed force. It isn’t an opportune moment for this anymore, but it is right nonetheless.
I don’t mean to be harsh or rude, but the simple explanation is that Richard Goldstone is an IDIOT. This may seem incongruous with his education, position, intellectual reputation. He is a outstanding achiever in many ways, but I believe an individual in power is judged by his ability to constrain himself from flexing leveraging his power in a thoughtless way that can bring about a disaster. There are also examples that momentous mistakes – human errors – where a person involved in a critical and/or dangerous process (surgery, disabling mines, flying an airplane) and who has done it successfully many many times, unexpectedly makes a critical mistake with disastrous results. Metaphorically speaking, Goldstone – an excellent marksman – in desiring to discipline his child to be polite to neighbors, aims his precision rifle to miss his child’s head by an inch, but manages to hit the target and severely injure or kill the child. Someone who has done this can rightly be called an IDIOT – there is no other explanation. And this in my opinion is what Richard Goldstone has done.
A TRAITOR
ARROGANT
SNOBBISH
PRESUMPTUOUS
UNSCRUPULOUS
A REAL MORON
It is alright to be “tainted with truth” . It is too bad the scandleous people that started this all have not been exiled, I mean in the sense, the mainstream media and the jewnighted states which it has been for so very long with out people knowing, is insanity at its best. The betrayal of humanity over a lie that “god gave it to them” and then to push this lie until it is believed is going to back fire. The fact that historic figures in the mess they called holocaust stated, it is better to have some in israel than all in london, knowing they were sending their own people they con into the german jewish camps, so they may path the way to create a homeland on someone elses land. To all jews everywhere in the world, you should be inraged at the maligning of the “so called faith or religon” judism or zionist, but do not feel left out, the christains have been hoodwinked too into backing the lies with more lies. lets hope the nukes buttons that the jews are holding in many locations around the world will finally be pushed and put the world out of its misery, they hold the world hostage with them and have for a long period, go ahead and push them. you will all die too.
Shame on you Judge Goldstone, It’s about time we the Jewish people stop being naive and stand up to the likes of you and the sub humans like the sell out Kasrils, you should face the facts that your so called precious report was to embed your name in history but unfortunatly it has back fired on you, if you do come in the end to this Bar-Mitzvah I will be one of the many hundreds standing in the entrance to the Shul protesting your your attendance (I am a proud member at BHH) and will make your life a misery, I know your Daughter and her family personally, so for their sake I hope you stay away.
The mandate for the report was flawed and unjust.
One poster said that Goldstone is an idiot. Dead wrong mister!
When the Goldstone report was produced in the first week, his daughter took a big swipe at him.She chastised him and stated he watered the report down and wanted to please the Jews by including that The Palestinians were also to blame as terrorists and worse in purpose missed many war criminal Israel activity during the slaughter.
What should concern us is why a Jew was appointed. Recall,the Nuremberg Trials –all 21 judges Jews. Think that is bad,try this for a kick in the butt–Jr.Bush appointed only Zionist Jew Judges to her the 911 attacks lawsuites. Guess what–all dismissed and one that was persistant was assisinated last year by a plane crash in Bufflo NY.
Nuremberg Trials –these Cult crazy Zionist made sure that the German got hangings but never lifted a finger of the Rothschild families in Germany.
Previous poster was right–USA/UK/France suckered/Used Germany to send Polish Jews into Palestine. Then Germany,as is USA, totally in control by Zionist Jews.
Sad part–they don’t care who gets hurt,as long they get their cult ways.
Richard Goldstone–he failed the Palestinians–report has done nothing at the Un–just a waste of paper.
Cheers :^/
Goldstone is your typical, idiot Liberal Jew. He helps feed the Jew-haters of the world as typified by the idiot posting as ‘able.’
Anyone reading these posts or the opinions of Jews affiliated with the Zionist establishment in other countries that have been published in other Jewish newspapers would no doubt come to the conclusion that those who provide the most fodder for those who dislike or hate Jews are those very Jews themselves.
Having paid no political or economic price for their support of the South African apartheid regime these same Jews feel totally free to practice their racism against non-Jews and against those Jews who do not kiss Israel’s tuchus.
But remember when the bell tolls, it will toll for them, as well.
Any so-called Jew who sticks up for Goldstone, who claims Israel is a “pariah” or “apartheid” or “terrorist” state is not only no better than he is – but should be excommunicated. Period.
After all, Spinoza, a good man, was excommunicated for far, far less – and spent what was left of his life in bitter hurt. The Goldstones, Soroses, Emanuels, Medea Benjamins and Kasrils of the world deserve to be kicked out.
Not only do I feel strongly about this, I hate my so-called “fellows” who in defending the indefensible, those who tortured, intimidated and murdered Palestinian Christians; those who butchered innocent animals in the Gaza zoo, those who keep a young boy for almost six years, those who turned a blind eye to the 3-year plus non-stop bombardments of Sderot – they are, in my eyes, no better than the Hitlerites. The Palestinian Muslim is NOT the Native American who was not only forced off their lands, but slaughtered. What Israel does to the Palestinians is nothing close to this, especially since they have to do it in self-defense.
But what so-called Jews do in favor of them in their intense dislike means they are no better than the Goosesteppers and murderers of us. The Judenrat and Kapos usually had no choice. The current garden-variety Jino who screams “apartheid” or compares Israel to a Fascist state are themselves the Fascists.
Stop the Self-Loathing, Leftard Fascists, or be prepared to be hated yourself.
Janice,
Israel’s “brutal occupation of the West Bank” is a damnable Fascist lie. That land is JEWISH from time immemorial, and if you don’t like it, tough.
Methinks you and Jeff and the other Fascist Leftards need to take a long cold look at yourselves in the mirror – remember too, if you are in North America and you claim Israel has no right to their own land, be prepared to show some principle and sell your own home – to a Native American, as you definitely have NO rights whatsoever to live in occupied Native American or First Nations (Canada) territory.
daniel wrote:
“The mandate for the report was flawed and unjust.”
That’s putting it mildly. Mary Robinson, no friend of Israel (she headed Durban I) explains why she turned down the mandate Goldstone accepted (in an interview that appeared in the Pakistan Times):
I refused to accept the invitation from the president of the Human Rights Council at the time, Ambassador Martin Uhomoibhi of Nigeria, to lead the investigation following the Human Rights Council’s January 12, 2009 resolution. As a former UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, I felt strongly that the Council’s resolution was one-sided and did not permit a balanced approach to determining the situation on the ground. It referred only to “the grave violations of human rights in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, particularly due to the recent Israeli military attacks,” and called for a mission to investigate “all violations of international human rights law and international humanitarian law by the occupying power, Israel, against the Palestinian people.”
I was also aware that the UN Human Rights Council had made repeated condemnations of Israel over the past two years but had focused little attention on large-scale violations of human rights in other countries. This pattern of action and inaction by the Council has given greater credence to those who believe the UN’s highest human rights body is inherently anti-Israel.
I decided I could not undertake the mission for these reasons. I am aware that Judge Goldstone, a dedicated and unimpeachable human rights lawyer and advocate, shared similar concerns when he was initially approached. But he was able to work with the Council’s president to secure an agreement he felt confident would permit the mandate to be interpreted in such a way as to allow his team to address the actions taken by both parties to the conflict.
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As for the idiot who referred to a handful of Nazi criminals who were hanged, claiming they were sentenced by Jews and hung to satisfy Jewish bloodlust…hundreds of thousands of war criminals were allowed to go free, with no consequences whatsoever, including Nazis with the blood of hundreds of thousands of Jews on their hands. They lived long happy lives and died of old age in their beds.
Erdogan justifies his opposition to Israel from the Goldstone report and the fact that its writer was a Jew. I am not a Jew myself but am in awe at how Goldstone could betray his people like this – I mean this could be the start of world war 3. Being a Jew the only sensible thing would be to not be part of the report – if he is pro-israel (at all) the Arabs (and most of the world) dismiss the report, if he is anti-Israel, the fact that he is a Jew is used as leverage. What a terrible mess.
goldstone should hang his head in shame! he should have recused himself from any commission acting against Israel
How dare he associate himself with the likes of the un and any of their anti Israel lackeys.
I sincerely hope the Israeli government will never allow that renegrade into Israel for any reason!!!!!
Let me remind goldstone about appeasing; the only decent statesman, besides Disraeli, that england ever had, Churchill, said ..” an appeaser is someone who feeds the croccodile hoping he will be eaten last….”
Let him stay in england where he can be surrounded by his antisemitic and anti Israeli friends.
It is just a matter of time before the croccodile comes for him.
Israel will always endure despite the likes of him
I have long believed zionism to be a mental illness, an extreme form of nationalism that has disfigured what as once something inspiring about the Jewish people into something that with each passing day becomes ever more grotesque. If there is anything that distinguishes it from the gross venality of the Nazi concept of “volk” and “bludt” it too has diminished as to be microscopic.
You blind defenders of Israelebensraum should pay attention to what the prime minister of Turkey is saying. Turkey has been Israel’s long time ally and of the US as well where it has been te strategic asset that Israel is not.
Listen up. The bell is starting to toll.
Jeff,
The one suffering from the mental illness is a Nazi like you.
You could never in SIX MILLION YEARS refute anything I said about the bloody, murderous Palestinian Muslims whom you adore. Not even the slaughter of innocent animals cause pisspots like you to think.
Go and join your beloved Uncle Adolf…
The ones who usually scream “fascist” or “nazi” in referring to Zionism usually turn out to be Nazis themselves or are such extreme self-haters that they might as well be Nazis themselves (like their heroes Soros and Kasrils).
Allen! you don’t know Nothing,just a blubber month cult member.
FYI: the term Nazi comes from the most feared eastern European tribes that once were called Zealots and prior to 700AD called Ashkenazim, today call themselves Jews.
Germany accepted a good proportion–Example the Rotheschilds.Odd thing,Many JewishGermans are in power in USA.
Never have Palesitinians invaded any country–just remember,how would you react if crazies invaded your turff?
For me,I’d give no second thought about going after the
chosen scums.
As for Goldstein–he did his best to please both sides,however,nothing has changed in USi’s support of
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Jojoos, It’s obvious you’re an ignorant Jew-hating moron. Where do you think all those ‘Palestinians’ currently living in Israel, the West Bank and Gaza came from? They came from Egypt, Syria, Iraq, North Africa, Turkey, the Caucusus, from all over the muslim world between the World Wars. Exactly like the Jews. Except the Jews were returning to their homeland. As for the derivation of the word ‘Nazi’, it comes from the German, phonetic spelling of the first two syllables of Nationalsozialist. Not only are you anti-semitic scum you’re also dumb.
JoJoos,
You are obviously an idiot.
Prove please where JewishGermans are in power here. Instead we’ve got a Black Anti-Semite just like your beloved Desmond Tutu…
Germans accepted Jews? Yeah, in the Concentration and Death Camps. On the other hand, Israel had every right to expel all MUSLIMS from its land – but never has done so. Israel tolerates, Islam hates. And you suck up to the latter.
Finally – how could Jews have invaded THEIR OWN COUNTRY??? Are you really that retarded to suggest such a laughable lie? If anything it was Palestinian Muslims who INVADED JEWISH TERRITORY, it wasn’t called Judea-Samaria for nothing, you ignorant foolish Fascist.
Ummmm, sorry to correct you, Alan, but until 1948 Jews referred to it as Palestine over and over and over again. Judea and Samaria had to be plucked from the dustbin of history from where it will soon be headed again.
If you dispute me, just look at the Zionist literature and propaganda at the time. What, after all,were the words of the song recruiting Jews to fight for the new state but:
“If your name is Arnie, join the Jewish army, fight, fight, fight for Palestine.
“Come you sons of Moses, with your broken noses, fight, fight, fight for Palestine.”
Come to think of it, that’s a timely song for today, except this time it would be to liberate it from the Zionswine.
“Ummmm, sorry to correct you, Alan, but until 1948 Jews referred to it as Palestine over and over and over again.”
Of course, at the time the legal name of the territory was the British Mandatory Palestine, given to the Brits to “manage” UNTIL THEY CREATED A “RECONSTITUTED” JEWISH HOMELAND, as charged by the League of Nations.
But it wasn’t refered to as Palestine before or after the British Mandate – as you clearly try to imply.
Thanks hmp, I do stand corrected…at least for prior to 1948…
What I really meant to say, though, was this. Yes, we did refer to it as Palestine, even though it was a Roman name, over the centuries…but devout Jews equally and perhaps even more so after Herzl founded the Zionist movement, referred to Palestine almost simultaneously as the “Land of Israel” – which of course it did become in 1948.
Oh, I don’t think I called it Palestine after 1948, and I wouldn’t because it clearly wasn’t the case, except for those living in the fantasyland of believing the land was stolen from the Arabs.
Palestine Mandate, BONEHEAD…from 1918-1948 British took name from Romans, reluctantly accepted by Jews who temporarily as long as the Mandate was in place. It was dumped unceremoniously afterwards.
Judea and Samaria were biblical names for the Jordan Valley lands…and JEWISH.
And YOU’RE STILL A NAZI, Jeff.
To the Arrogant Jeff, who feels oh so safe where he is,
When the Nazis invaded Poland, my family had no where to go. Had there been a land of Israel, hundreds of thousands, or even millions could have been saved. Before the Final Solution of the Wannassee Conference, Hitler might have been satisfied just to see the Jews removed from Europe. Instead, every member of my father’s family was murdered, and my mother was without parents and 6 of her siblings.
Perhaps you think trouble would just pass you by, because you’re a “good Jew,” not like all those others with their long coats and sidelocks. That’s what the assimilated German Jews thought. But they were as wrong as you are. To yourself, you’re a “good” Jew, a “modern” Jew, a “liberal” Jew. But to those who hate Jews, all that matters is that your parents were Jewish. Doesn’t matter even if you convert, you’re still a Dirty Jew.
At the Evian Conference in 1938, the countries of the world made it clear they would not open their doors to Jewish refugees. The Canadian minister, when asked how many Jews could come to Canada, said “None is too many.”
The Jews have a irrefutable claim to a homeland in the ME. In fact, there were even Jews in the Arabian Peninsula before Muhammad slaughtered and expelled them. The existence of a Kingdom of Israel doesn’t depend on the Bible – there is irrefutable physical evidence, and Jews have lived in the ME for millenia. Moreover, after 1948 almost 1,000,000 Jews were expelled from Arab lands. Their claims for stolen property come to over $300 billion, and their land claims constitute an area 5x that of the State of Israel. Any comprehensive settlement should include resolution of their claims as well.
As for the absurd statements complaining about how Israel addresses its threats, no other country in the world would put up with the constant violent threats the way they Israelis do. As Bill Maher said, how many rockets from Canada would the U.S. put up with? How did we respond to a single attack on our soild in 2001? We killed countless thousands of Iraqis and Afghans who had nothing to do with it. Look up Black September to see how the their fellow Arabs (Palestinians actually) dealt with their perceived threat. And of course, we know how the Palestinians resolve their own differences – trips off the tops of skyscrapers.
Complain all you want about Israel – Israel may not be perfect, but it’s far, far ahead of whatever is in second place, including the U.S.
You are rather a pathetic creature, Alan, and obviously reduced to name calling to mask your abysmal ignorance. The whole area was referred to as Palestine or Falastina in Arabic for centuries after the Romans, by, for example, the Crusaders, until the land was colonized and than stolen by European, American and South African Jews who have built the world’s largest ghetto. You seemed not have made aliyah to join it. Why not?
I am sorry for the loss of your family members in Poland, Hmp, but it was not the Palestinians that killed them. It was indeed a crime that the doors of Europe and America were closed but that was exactly what the mainstream Zionists wanted as the famous quote by Ben-Gurion after Krystalnacht spells out in which he prefers building a Jewish state to saving Jewish children. And let’s not forget Yitzak Greenbaum who would not participate in the Evian conference. A pretty ugly lot that collaborated with the Nazis up until the beginning of the war with the Haavara agreement. And let’s not forget old Yitzhak Yezernitsky, better know as Shamir whose Stern Gang wrote to Hitler and offered to collaborate with the Nazis against the British of which every Israel of 20 years ago was aware?
Listen, 60 million people died in WW2 and the Jews who perished were no better nor worse than anyone else, but it is not the survivors who ethnically cleansed the Palestinian inhabitants of the land but the European Jews who had emigrated there and did nothing to save the Jews who were dying, to the point of putting stories about the ongoing genocide on the inside pages of the Palestine Post.
In the US, the mainstream zionists, who had enough power to twist the arm of Truman and politicians right after the war to recognize Israel over the wishes of Secretary Marshall somehow were too weak to make any effort to bring Jews to the US during the war–many were from Germany and they had made it in the US didn’t want to be reminded of the Polish ghettos. That’s a truth folks like you will not admit. But Ben Hecht spelled it out in Perfidy.
As for your claims that Jews have greater claims to Palestine than the Arab peoples who were living there, that is flat out racism which unfortunately, coupled with sadism, is what has come to distinguish Israeli society and made it “a blight unto the nations.”
There were Jews living there waaaaay before Roman times, Jeffrey, and even thereafter. Not one bit of an Arab presence until the thugs came out the Arabian peninsula to vanquish the Byzantines – and even then there were still small Jewish communities that had survived everything.
Are you really that smug, stupid and arrogant to deny those facts?
Or do you also deny Jewish History just like you deny my people – and hmps, because obviously if you were born a Jew, you’ve thrown your steel helmet in with the Nazis and those who murdered innocent animals cowering in the Gaza zoo.
Bottom line, Jeffrey, is as long as you deny Jews living in their OWN land and demand their removal, you’re still a Nazi.
Now, go and be a good boy and go find your Uncle Adolf…
The only Fascists and Racists on this site are Nazis, Nazi symps, Muslim fans of terrorism, and self-loathing cretins…like Jeffrey.
Zionism is Jewish National Liberation. Those who deny this fact, this reality, are nothing more than Nazis who deserve the fate of the poor animals shot down in their cages in the Gaza zoo….by Muslim Hamas roach feces.
P.S. I am very glad this Nazi lover Jeffrey brought up Yitzhak Shamir, because, like George Soros and Ronnie Kasrils his birth was an unfortunate mistake.
Shamir was indeed a Nazi collaborator, someone who knew how to murder – even those who rescued Jews like Folke Bernadotte at the end of the war. He was also a despicable coward, refusing to retaliate in the first Gulf War because his pal James Baker – a Jew-hater, urged him not to offend the Saudis and Syrians.
Shamir refused to do to a real anti-Semite like Baker what he did do to Bernadotte, no surprise later when Baker and his fellow anti-Semite Brent Scowcroft turned on Shamir.
But Shamir really is Jeffie’s kind of Jew, someone who sieg heiled – just like Jeff does to his blessed animal murdering, Christian torturing, Jew-bombing Palestinian Muslim friends.
In short, Jeff probably brought up Shamir because he is exactly like Jeff is. The Shamirs, Soros, Korbel-Albrights, Milibands and Kasrils deserved to have been placed on the trains – the millions of good, decent Jews who were denied a sanctuary, their OWN HOMELAND – the land of Israel – deserved to live.
As I read the majority of these comments I can only think that many of you would have praised the distinguished and honest Richard Goldstone had he praised Israel for the use of white phosphorus against the civilians of Gaza and had he said that the destruction of much of the civilian housing was a good thing as was the bulldozing of a chicken farm that supplied 10% of Gaza’s eggs. You would have been happy with him had he praised the deliberate destruction of the sewage system so that now raw and untreated sewage flows into the sea. But he did not praise these war crimes and so you must savage him just as you savage all those who do not genuflect to the Israeli state.
Were these same crimes committed against Israel and someone of the same stature as Judge Goldstone condemned them, you would have praised that person. War crimes are war crimes no matter which side commits the crimes and, in this case, Israel justly stands accused before the world.
Just because Jews commit war crimes does not mean that we should be let off the hook.
Whether you like it or not more and more Jews of the world are realizing that Israel does not speak for us or represent us. We know that it was European anti-Semitism that was the impetus for a handful of European Jews in the late 1800s to decide that the Jews needed a state. What they did not take into account was that another people was already living on the land. But these Zionists did not care. Those people would have to go.
So remember, it was not the Palestinians that were responsible for anti-Semitism in Europe but they also paid a high price in the loss of their lands and homes. As for the Jews that were sent out of Arab countries that did not happen until after the Jews ethnically cleansed the Palestinians.
The use of white phosphorus does not constitute a war crime per se. The US (and its allies) routinely used white phosporus in Iraq, on a much larger scale.
And therein lies the rub. War is a dirty business, not conducted in a laboratory, not conducted with time for deliberation, nor cleanly as a video game. As has been repeatedly stated by Allied officers serving in Iraq, Israel operated with tighter rules of engagement than they did.
The loss of a single life is tragic. But if Israel targeted Palestinian civilians, they did a piss poor job of it. 800,000 were killed in Rwanda with machetes in the space of a few weeks. And you think with Israeli weaponry, all they could manage was a total of 1,000 casualties, the vast majority armed combatants, if the IDF was targeting civilians? We killed at least 10 times that number in Iraq each month, month after month after month.
Israel warned where they would attack, with 2,000,000 leaflets and 100,000 phone calls? What other army in the world does that? We killed 125 Afghan civilians in one shot by drone without warning because they tried to recover fuel oil from a disabled tanker truck.
Do you have any idea how ridiculous your position is? What universe do you live in? You should be applauding the restraint of the IDF, compared to EVERY OTHER ARMY IN THIS UNIVERSE.
Israel’s “War crimes” do not amount to a hill of beans compared to any other country on the face of the earth. Are you an American? Can you put Israeli “war crimes” in the same category as our crimes in Iraq? We have killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, and to the best of my knowledge, not a single Iraqi missile was fired at the U.S.
And the obvious is that there would be no “war crimes” of any sort absent the Palestinian missiles.
Yet as even Mary Robinson, former UN High Commissioner for Human Rights and no friend of Israel, recognizes the double standard applied to Israel:
“I was also aware that the UN Human Rights Council had made repeated condemnations of Israel over the past two years but had focused little attention on large-scale violations of human rights in other countries. This pattern of action and inaction by the Council has given greater credence to those who believe the UN’s highest human rights body is inherently anti-Israel.”
The Arabs swept up into the ME as a conquering religious army in the 7th century. Jews have lived in the ME continuously for millenia. More recently, the ME was controlled by the Ottoman Turks until 1918, when the League of Nations gave the British a Mandate to establish a “RECONSTITUTED JEWISH HOMELAND.” In 1922, 77% of British Mandatory Palestine was given to the Arabs as TransJordan, and JEWS WERE FORBIDDEN TO LIVE THERE. It was the remaining 23% that was partitioned AGAIN in 1947.
The British dragged their feet on the Mandate, which required them to implement their own Balfour Agreement, which REQUIRED that a Jewish homeland be RECONSITUTED in the ME:
“The San Remo conference[50] assigned the mandate for Palestine to the United Kingdom under Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations. The Allies also decided to make the UK responsible for putting into effect its own Balfour Declaration of 1917.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_of_Palestine#League_of_Nations_ratification
For the uninformed, notice that this all predates WWII, and that British foot dragging on the responsibilities assigned to them was the cause of Jewish “terrorism” (after waiting for 30 years for the British to make good on what was promised by both the Allies and the League of Nations.”
Historically, certainly at the time of the British Mandate, educated people knew of the HISTORICAL FACT of the Kingdom of Israel, that the Romans had renamed Israel “Palestine” as part of their humiliation of the conquered population. Only anti-semitic morons believe there was ever such a thing as an “independent Palestinian nation” – in fact the Arabs of the ME denied it themselves until 1967, when the realpolitik of the ME changed.
Let me say that again – THERE WAS NEVER AN INDEPENDENT “PALESTINIAN NATION,” from the time the Kingdom of Israel was conquered, the area passed from one conqueror to another. Prior to 1967, the Gaza strip was part of Egypt, and the West Bank was part of Jordan. Before that, it was ruled by the British as part of the Mandate, and before that it was ruled by the Ottoman Turks. So where was the “INDEPENDENT PALESTINIAN NATION?” Never was one, the Arabs didn’t come to Palestine until they invaded from the Arabian Peninsula. Living as tenant farmers on land owned by the Ottoman Turks doesn’t count as “ownership” even if you live there for centuries.
I don’t see how a logical argument can be made that the Arabs have a claim to Palestine because they conquered it militarily, and retain that claim when Romans, the Turks, and the Allies subsequently conquered Palestine. Logically, it goes back to the original, independent Kingdom of Israel, or it goes to the winner as spoils. Attempting to stop the clock after the Muslin conquest in the 7th century is simply untenable.
“I am sorry for the loss of your family members in Poland, Hmp, but it was not the Palestinians that killed them.”
Actually, Arafat’s uncle, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, was Hitler’s ally, spent most of WWII at Hitler’s elbow, and trained Albanian Muslims for the Nazis.
So don’t be that certain that the Palestinians have clean hands, even with regard to WWII. Moreover, there were repeated Arab pogroms (also largely instigated by the Grand Mufti) against Jews in Palestine throughout the 1920s and 30s.
And somehow, you just can’t get it through your head that there has been a continuous Jewish presence in what is now the State of Israel for at least 4,000, based on archeological evidence.
And I see you have absolutely no interest in a comprehensive settlement of all land and property claims in the Middle East, which would result in a return to Jewish ownership of land 5x the size of the entire current state of Israel. So until that time, I’m willing to accept Gaza and the West Bank as a swap, and the Palestinians can go live on the land stolen from the Jews is the Arab countries.
The population exchange between Pakistan and India, at the time of that Partition, was far greater than any population exchange that occurred in the ME. The mistake that Israel made (from a logistic point of view) was not expelling all Arabs, the way Jews were expelled from Arab lands. To the contrary, Arabs were ENCOURAGED to remain, and left because they were told to by their own leaders to “make way for the conquering Arab armies.”
Just didn’t work out that way. The Arabs lost 4 wars of aggression, Israel pushed back to within 35 miles of Damascus and 50 miles of Cairo. The mistake there was giving the territory overrun in war back to the Arabs, under pressure from the US. Egypt and Jordan eventually gave up, but with the “heads we win, tails we break even” advantage given to the Arabs over and over again, the continued existence of Israel can only be considered a miracle.
hmp, my friend,
Janice is either a very deluded fool or she is – well, I’ve said it before I’ll say it again, a NAZI.
Here she is ranting about Israel using white phosphrous on Hamas…Well, where was this little girl when the children and horses of Sderot were being rocketed on a daily basis for 3 YEARS – and Israel practiced restraint.
Heck, the territory those rockets were coming from was the same area that the fool Sharon gave them after forcibly removing 10,000 Jew – his fellow citizens from land they had settled, toiled over, worked the fields. He even gave the Palestinians the very greenhouses these settlers had built, and what did the peacelovers do? Promptly destroyed them.
America, or any other country would NEVER have tolerated the kinds of attacks Israel absorbed for 3 years, not to mention the inhumane kidnapping and imprisonment of a boy who still rots amongst the roaches. But try telling that to an ignoramus like Janice, who if she is an American, is the biggest hypocrite going – as the land she resides on is ILLEGALLY OCCUPIED NATIVE AMERICAN soil. She won’t leave if she is an American, because she’s an unprincipled Fascist and self-hater who puts genocidal bombers and animal murderers above her own (if she’s a Jew – as far as I’m concerned both she and Jeffie are NOT, Nazis, Commies, Islamofascist lovers – Jews, nah).
One more thing – Janice claims that the Palestinians had nothing to do with the Final Solution – BULL PUCKEY. Tell that to the Handschar Brigade who viciously rounded up Serbians, Jews, and Gypsies to be slaughtered. Sure, the majority were Bosnian Muslims (one reason why my sympathies lie with the Serbs), but their leadership was the Grand Mufti and his associates – Palestinians. They led the revolt against the British in Iraq, and the father of Erekat, the liar from Fatah, he was parachuted into then-Palestine (again, courtesy of Brits – not Jews) by the Germans to poison wells, scout out Allied positions, and round up the Jews once Rommel crossed the Suez Canal and marched into Jewish-occupied territory. He failed in that mission, but the Mufti did a nice job – slaughtering Serbian men, women and children accused of aiding either the Partisans or Mihailovich’s Chetniks and exterminating the last Jews in Bosnia alongside their Ustashi allies.
Janice prefers to ignore – or even think because that would be too much for a Leftard Fascist who puts murderous Palestinian Muslims much higher on the morality ladder than innocent Native American women and children or even Jewish women and children genocidal bombed at shopping centers, Pizzerias, and Seders. Of course if that happened in Janice’s family (or Jeffies) they’d blame their own…not the murderers.
The British Leftist, Basil Davidson, a Communist who held no real sympathy for Serbians when he was parachuted into Tito’s camp to advise the partisans gives a graphic description of what happened to a Serb village near the Hungarian border in March 1944 that supposedly aided the Partisans (more than likely the Chetniks, since the majority of Serbs despised Tito). All in the village were slaughtered, hacked to death, or raped and shot indiscrimently. Even babies were stomped into the ground, the bone of a tiny head smashed into the ground.
It might be easy to say that the Germans, who DID direct the Axis forces in Yugoslavia committed this crime, or their bosom buddies, the Croat Ustashi. But as Davidson, himself a later champion of Third World causes pointed stated, it was Yugoslav Muslims fighting under the Germans and their own Grand Mufti who committed this war crime. The same Mufti who escaped war crimes tribunals to live amongst his own in Damascus, directing the militias that fought alongside the Arab invasion armies in 1948, and whose cousin – yes, was none other than one Yasser Arafat.
So much for Palestinian “innocence” during the Holocaust. Another lie of the Fascist Leftards who prefer goosestepping alongside Hamas than expressing sympathy and solidarity with the Jewish women and children of Israel. Why? Because THEY HATE JEWS – and Christians, that’s why.
All invassions and wars have been started and funded by so called Jews. I thought Shills4Jews were smart. Shows by reading their halfcocked posted comments–dumb oxes!
Just a reminder to the the ashkenazie phonie Jews:
Back in 1945, every so called Jew congressman and Senator voted againist the European Jews settling in USA. Ships ladden with Jews were ESCOURTED to Palestine.Whole WWI WWII was all about Jews having a homeland, as if America and Canada were not enough.
Fact of Fiction: Exodus was Baloney just as Ann Frank’s fairy tales—Bull Point written ,when they were not even invented in the 40′s.
America schools teach this garbage.Wake-up fools,your country needs a good infestation cleaning of Pests }sreal
“Every so called Jew (sic) congressman…”
We Jews control the internet, just as we control everything else. With you IP, which we obtain whenever you post, we can identify where you live, and will be coning to silence you before you alert the world. We will come to get you in your sleep, when you are most vulnerable.
If I were you, I would never fall asleep again, even for a minute. There is no way you can possible have a peaceful night’s rest again, for the rest of your life. You are too high on our list.
Boo!
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You are a racist pig who is too stupid to live, much less be take seriously.
Not only are you a Holocaust denier, you are a denier of all history that doesn’t suit your agenda. Looks like my post above yours set off the hate bomb that is you. 7th century Muslim invasion, Imperial Caliphate, Ottoman conquest, Balfour Agreement, League of Nation, British Mandate, all fabricated Jew (sic) history.
By showing your true colors (thank you), you have discredited yourself and prior comments completely.
Hmp, Jo Joos is a nutcase, and an illiterate one at that. Alan proves that Jews can be just as dumb as anyone elese, but you have no such excuses, I will leave you to your shit-filled sandbox where you can spread your feces everywhere. But you better be quick because the bell is beginning to toll for that “shitty little country” you love so much and the world is waking up to what it allowed to grow there.
Over and out. I need to wash my hands.
JoJoos is a nutcase? Sorry, it’s impossible to tell where JoJoos leaves off and you begin.
Since you are the one with all the scatological references, it’s the rest of us that need to wash our hands.
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out. You won’t be missed.
Oh what fun I missed while asleep. The cockroaches were really piling out of the toilet bowl…
First we get the stupidity and obvious Hitlerism of one JoJoos aka Jujubee who claims “every Jewish congressman” was AGAINST Jewish Settlement in the USA.
Of course an ignorant FASCIST who doesn’t read a History book wouldn’t get the fact that most European Jews no longer wanted to go to an America which denied them – unlike the so-many nowadays who turn a blind eye or actually stick up for ILLEGAL aliens – sanctuary and safety before the war. THEY WANTED THEIR OWN HOMELAND. That homeland was Israel, or to Jeffie, Janice, Jujubee – the Palestine (Mandate).
They certainly did not want to remain in a Europe that slaughtered them.
Of course the three Nazi Js won’t say where they live because more than likely the land was appropriated by force and they are unprincipled Jew haters – or self loathers, which as I commented earlier, there’s really no difference.
Then we get his goosestepping sidekick Jeffie trying to act oh-so-mature but then revealing what a Nazi creep he too is at the end. “Shitty Little Country” – hmmmm. I presume Jeffie is rolling in it all the time wherever he resides because it certainly isn’t Israel and if it is the States, again, he’s an unprincipled liar and coward. More than likely he’s living on the remains of the Gaza zoo, on the blood covered cement of the animals murdered by – his Hamas roach fece pals. That honestly wouldn’t surprise me, or residing like the coward he is on the land taken from North American Indians.
He’ll need to do more than wash his hands. Maybe an acid bath or what his fellow Nazis used to do might be more appropo.
Oh HMP, something you commented at the end reminded me that these Jew-hating Fascists had better chuck their computers out the window. As nearly all Microsoft Operation Systems and Intel Processors are made in – Israel.
It should not be forgotten that before the arrival of the Jews, the lands now claimed as Jewish were occupied by Canaanites, the early Arabs of the area.
Jews have not been living on the land forever. They were not the first.
Maybe you did not see the photo of a wall built built by the Canaanites, a wall that pre-dates the arrival of the Jews.
The Jews took over the land by slaughtering most of the Canaanites but I guess that is OK with Alan and hmp.
BTW, Jews have been living for years in many areas of the world. Does that give us the right to claim all of those places on the basis that we have lived there for centuries?
“BTW, Jews have been living for years in many areas of the world. Does that give us the right to claim all of those places on the basis that we have lived there for centuries?”
That’s funny, because that’s the only claim that the Arabs have to Palestine.
http://www.alternet.org/story/11608/10_things_to_know_about_the_middle_east/
“Originally the inhabitants of the Arabian peninsula, the Arabs spread their language and culture to the north and west with the expansion of Islam in the 7th century.”
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Palestinian claims to be related to the Canaanites are a recent phenomenon and contrary to historical evidence. The Canaanites disappeared from the face of the earth three millennia ago, and no one knows if any of their descendants survived or, if they did, who they would be.
Sherif Hussein, the guardian of the Islamic Holy Places in Arabia, said the Palestinians’ ancestors had only been in the area for 1,000 years.9 Even the Palestinians themselves have acknowledged their association with the region came long after the Jews. In testimony before the Anglo-American Committee in 1946, for example, they claimed a connection to Palestine of more than 1,000 years, dating back no further than the conquest of Muhammad’s followers in the 7th century.10 And that claim is also dubious. Over the last 2,000 years, there have been massive invasions that killed off most of the local people (e.g., the Crusades), migrations, the plague, and other manmade or natural disasters. The entire local population was replaced many times over. During the British mandate alone, more than 100,000 Arabs emigrated from neighboring countries and are today considered Palestinians.
By contrast, no serious historian questions the more than 3,000-year-old Jewish connection to the Land of Israel, or the modern Jewish people’s relation to the ancient Hebrews.
“…[the Palestinian Arabs'] basic sense of corporate historic identity was, at different levels, Muslim or Arab or – for some – Syrian; it is significant that even by the end of the Mandate in 1948, after thirty years of separate Palestinian political existence, there were virtually no books in Arabic on the history of Palestine..”
hmp,
I highly doubt either Jeff or Janice can read, or have the desire to deal with the truth. In the slight case that they might, they might also want to pick up a copy of Joan Peters’ insightful “From Time Immemorial” where she completely demolishes any Arab claim to the land…
if they read Peters without prejudice their jaws would drop to the floor. Might not be such a pretty sight.
But then again these hobnailed boot wannabes might dismiss it as “Zionist Propaganda” because they rather have their sick, little word of not wishing to be born Jewish than have pride, principle, decency and learn to deal with the truth.
Your source for the claim “Jews took over the land by slaughtering most of the Canaanites?”
Am I being presumptuous in assuming it’s the same Bible that says Israel belongs to the Jews? If not, enlighten us.
“early inhabitants” is not equal to “early Arabs.” By your “logic” the ancient people of Spain were also “early Arabs” because they were later conquered by the Arabs.
For a more thoughtful analysis, look at the book by Anne Killebrew, “Biblical People and Ethnicity,” the result of 20 years study.
I forgot to add that the Canaanite wall was found in Jerusalem.
Janice,
Once again you are full of crap.
The Judaic tribes and the Canaanites were both there AT THE SAME TIME. Read your History…and as for them being Arabic prove that as well…I might accept part of the latter contention but that is also where you heading for quicksand, girl as the Samaritans – also there at the same time, considered themselves and still do, as Jews.
And where DO YOU LIVE, little girl? What tribe did your ancestors dislodge? Fact is, the Jews were in the land at the same time as the others, and they stayed there even when others tried to kill them off. The Canaanites and Philistines wandered off or were conquered by others.
There was NO real Arab presence there until the Byzantines were destroyed by INVADING Arab Muslim armies at Yarmuk in 636 AD. There to greet them?
THE JEWS.
and where do you live, little boy? who did you displace?
at least I did not go in to the place where I live as an ethnic cleanser as did one of my relatives back in 1948. As a member of the Palmach he bragged of his participation in the “cleansing” of Arab villages in the north of Israel. He remembered with pleasure how the hapless villagers fled across the border into Lebanon leaving their shoes by the door and their pots on the stove. I didn’t ask him if he killed anyone. Like the “good” Germans of a few years earlier, I just didn’t want to know.
My relative is now dead so I cannot ask him if he murdered any of the villagers but from what I have read about the ethnic cleansing of Palestine I would not be surprised if he did.
Today, what my relative did is called by its true name ETHNIC CLEANSING.
“at least I did not go in to the place where I live as an ethnic cleanser as did one of my relatives back in 1948.”
Exactly how much time has to pass before hands are clean?
Your hands are clean because the ethnic cleansing of America took places a hundred years before you were born? So by that logic, 40 years from now, no one will be even able to make your (false) argument, as the statute of limitations will have passed in Israel as well?
You have no idea what ethnic cleansing is. Ethnic cleansing took place in Poland. The Jews went from 3.3 million to 300,00 too less than 5,000.
There are FAR MORE PALESTINIANS now than there were in 1948. Is that ethnic “uncleansing?”
1,00,000 Jews were forced to flee Arab lands, WITHOUT their pots and pans. There were 135,000 in Baghdad alone, now there is one old Jewish man left. The new Iraqi Constitution which WE helped write, allows the right of return for all emigrees EXCEPT JEWS. I’m sure you blog all over the internet about the plight of the Arab Jews, right?
What’s the matter, still have mommy and daddy problems, and express it through a hatred of Israel and Jews? Finkelstein has the same problem, he accused his mother of being a collaborator: “I mean, how else could she have survived?”
“Ethnic Cleanser” …
With everyone of your posts, little girl, you give your own Fascist game away.
What was going on then was called WAR, sweetie. Try to remember, that is, if your brain can register it, who started it.
Hint: A bunch of Arab nations, coupled with a guy who knew a lot about “ethnic cleansing” as he practiced it on the doomed Jews of Bosnia and Serbia, along with their equally innocent Serb and gypsie neighbors.
Name of the Mufti…
Difference is, when Arabs practiced “ethnic cleansing” they SLAUGHTERED my people (obviously NOT yours, as you do prefer the goosestepping ones); if we did in scattered instances like Deir Yassin, the majority of Jews were horrified. Begin, as you might recall, was a pariah for many years whether he deserved it or not. Was the Mufti shunned in Arab lands?
I think NOT.
Your relative fought in a war where he was told by none other than the Secretary-General of the Arab League that it would be a war of “extermination”. Nice, something Jews really wanted to here 3 years after the Holocaust. If I were in his shoes I’d probably do the same – and so would you, sweetie. You have no moral grounds to stand on either.
You call it “ethnic cleansing” yet you, hypocrite and self-hater, refuse to say where you live.
The plight of the Jews living in Arab or Islamic countries, especially the Iraq where we spent so much blood and treasure for it to turn out as a half-Democracy, is enough. The way a country treats its animals tells more about it than how it treats its people.
The Islamic Arab mentality is to load donkeys with high explosive to murder Jewish women and children; to teach their children to rip off the heads of innocent doves in order to prove what they really think of peace and coexistence with Jews, to force beautiful horses up to the Gaza frontier, again, laden with explosive, so they can be slaughtered, unfortunately in some instances by IDF personnel as the only way to prevent these innocent creatures from inadvertently murdering innocent people – real civilized, those Palestinian Muslims in the Gaza strip are – and yet our resident bozo fascist clowns cry about “white phospherous”…
Oh, and shoot down camels, birds and other wildlife in the Gaza zoo in order to blame it on the Israelis.
By contrast Sharon left intact greenhouses as a symbol of peace. The Palestinian Muslim scum promptly destroyed them – after all, they were contaminated by Jews.
If Jeffie and Janice were ever on a train filled with Jews going to the death camps, they’d cry out to their captors: “hey, we’re just like you. We hate Jews too”.
This is my last comment.
Check back on our history and you will find out that the Jewish terrorist groups, Irgun and Stern Gang, loaded donkeys with explosives and placed them in Arab markets. This was in the 1930s. The terrorists also blew up two Arab theaters in Palestine, blew up the King David Hotel and murdered UN representatives – representatives of the same organization that had legitimized the Jewish state.
You seem to believe that Israel’s hands are clean. They are not.
If you have the guts, which I doubt you have, I suggest that you read the Israeli historians who had access to the Israeli archives and wrote about what they found.
Finally, just because I am Jewish does not mean that I have to support Israel’s war crimes any more than I support the war crimes of my country which happens to be America.
Had I been a non-Jewish German, or a citizen of Japan or a citizen of apartheid South Africa I would not have supported those governments either.
And whether you like it or not more and more Jews are repulsed by what Israel is doing in our name. Our numbers are growing.
Good bye and Shalom little boys.
The Irgun was declared a terrorist group by Israel shortly after the founding of the State.
The Stern Gang was banned by the newly-formed Israeli government under an anti-terrorism law passed three days after the group’s September 1948 assassination of the UN mediator Folke Bernadotte.
Remind me, when did the Palestinians denounce terrorism? That would be…never
Instead, after Tali Hatuel and her 4 little girls, aged 2-11, were shot to death in 2004 at close range, the little girls found dead clutching each other
THE PALESTINIAN TERRORIST PERPETRATORS WERE HAILED AS HEROES.
“Islamic Jihad proudly claimed responsibility and the killers, later shot and killed by Israeli Defense Forces, were hailed as heroes and praised as martyrs on Palestinian radio.”
You can find the details on the net, or look here:
http://finedrywit.blogspot.com/2006_07_01_archive.html
look for the July 25th post.
May you one day fall into the clutches of your beloved Palestinians. You’ll find like all the anti-Semites through the centuries, you’re just another dirty Jew to them.
Their hands are much cleaner than yours, Fascist.
I am very tempted to call you, Janice, exactly what you are an Islamo feldhure. Unfortunately the Jewish women shipped off to the camps never had a chance or a choice, you do, and you’re so stupid – you even resort to lies about the Irgun and Stern Gang using innocent animals to kill.
Never happened honey, and you know it.
You even hate your own country for fighting back after 9/11. Gosh, shame you weren’t alive on 12/7/1941, because you’d be making excuses for your hero Hitler and the Japanese, and don’t say you wouldn’t. But hey, if you had any principles (we know you are devoid of intellect and common sense) you would call up the local Rez and hand the keys of your home over to a Native American family…because you don’t deserve to live in the States – and yes, you have absolutely NO right to if you deny Jews the right to live in their own homes.
But Fascists like you are always devoid of principle or being able to face the truth. That is why you’re so comfortable with babykillers, throat slitters, and animal murderers.
Thank goodness the rubbish is going. Hope she takes the other Hitler lovers with her.
Janice! Here is another terror attack–to which the zionist killed themselves laughing. They loaded diesel fuel in 45 gallon drums and inserted timed explosives. Each steel drum had tires strapped at each ends. These would be released from top of a hill sided street, were coffee shops ect. would have out door cafe customers. Truck ladden oil drums woulg be released and bounce from store front to store front and then without notice explode–killing scores of Arabs.
Here is the other, Zionist Jews capture/killed severial British soldiers and hung each on tall fig trees.When the resue Brit teams arrived and tried to cut the ropes–over 14 aid workers got blown to bits.
Notice that Janice did not mentin that the Jews hid massive explosives in then large milk can contianers and drove the loaded truck into the underground lower Kitchen entrance and once clear–KAAA-Boom–200 Brits died.
Ever wondered why the Brits adore Jews in the UK, after this????
If you think that is bad–here in USA the Jews did Sept 11 2001 and most Americans know it. But too stupid like the Brits :^/
Must be after dark, the cockroach has returned.
No dates or references, so no way to tell if anything claimed actually happened.
The truth of the British is Palestine – The British were mandated to RECONSTITUTE a Jewish Homeland in Palestine in 1918. Because of their intentional delays, hundreds of thousands of Jews who could have been saved died. Even after WWII, the British Colonialists refused to budge.
Moreover, who gives a damn what the British Colonialists think. There was a small event called the American Revolution, and my understanding is there was some violence involved in that as well. So is British Colonialism something you want to defend. You’re a little late, it’s been defeated (usually by violent revolution) throughout the world.
Just out of curiousity – what is your position on the American Revolution? Was it a mistake? Should the colonies stayed under the British heel indefinitely when their legitimate grievances were not addressed?
“the Jews did Sept 11 2001 and most Americans know it?”
You are a BARREL of laughs. Maybe you’d like to back this claim up? Nah, didn’t thinks so.
I’ll make it easy, I’ll break it up into two parts. Do the easy part first. Back up your claim that most Americans believe the Jews are responsible for 9/11.
You hit it right on the head, hmp…
Jujubee aka joboboos is a cockroach all right. Any one who blames the United States or the Jews for what happened on 9/11 – especially when Palestinians danced in the streets of Ramallah and Gaza doesn’t deserve a full reply.
But he is only a product of too many flushings of his head down a manure filled toilet.
I’ll second hmp – prove that the Jews are responsible for 9/11.
if not, move to Gaza and occupy one of the blood-stained stalls in the Gaza zoo. I am quite sure Janice aka Feldhure would love to join you, pisspot.
Few things..
1)To everyone who thinks 9/11 happened because of support of Israel.. Guess what, Soviet Union supported every single Arab country that was willing to fight Israel. When last time you heard Jews flying planes into Kremlin? Or blowing up busses? Or blowing up Subway? That the difference between the two religions.. (Don’t forget, non of the 9/11 terrorists were even palestinians. They were from Saudi Arabia, Egypt, you know, all the countries that supposed to be Western Allies).
2) If Arabs care so much about palestinians, about them having their own home, why not share their own land? Do you know, that Saudi Arabia alone, has territory 97 time , YES 97 TIMES, larger than Israel? Why not give them 0.5 % of their territory, and solve the problem? That won’t work for them, precisely because of that reason, because then there will be no problem and nothing to complain about.
3) Every time i head about “palestinians deserve their own state”.. i want to ask.. What does it mean “palestinian state”? I assume it is a state where Palestinians are the majority. Am I right? In that case, there is a palestinian State, it is called JORDAN, 76% of population ARE palestinians. So what you people are saying, palestinians, should have 2 states, and jews non (because they want arabs from around the world to be able to move to Israel, under “right of return” agreement.. Of course, at the same time, they think it is insane, to allow jews to move to palestinian territory.
4) What do you think US response would be, if 8000 rockets landed in San Diego, fired from across the border, ie , Mexico? To tell you the truth, i don’t know.. because that would never have happened. after about 3 or 4 of them, US tanks, would have crossed the boarder, and dealt with it.. END OF STORY.
5) Israel’s “targeted killing” is inhumane?? Would you prefer them to do, what “allies” do in Afghanistan? drop 10, 500lbs bombs, and kill 78 civilians, and 1 “suspect”? WHAT IS WRONG WITH “TARGETED KILLING”??? And by the way, what do you call the 25,000,000 bounty on Bin Laden’s head?? the only difference, Israel can find guys they looking for, US and others can’t..
The Palestinians HAVE their own state, it’s called Jordan.
The modern Kingdom of Jordan was the result of the 1st Partition of Palestine, in 1922. The Arabs were given 77% of Palestine, AND JEWS WERE FORBIDDEN TO LIVE THERE.
Moreover, Jordan ruled the West Bank until as a result of their aggression in 1967, the Israelis pushed the Jordanians back (funny, you never hear Jordan asking for the West Bank to be given back to them).
The Jordanians took a rather dim view of the Palestinians and the threat they posed. But like Little Bob said to Ned in the “Unforgiven,” they said “I’m going to hurt you, and not gentle like before (This after Little Bob had been whipping Ned).
Look up “Black September, 1970″ to see how the Jordanians dealt with Palestinian threats:
“September 1970 is known as the Black September (Arabic: أيلول الأسود) in Arab history and sometimes is referred to as the “era of regrettable events.” It was a month when Hashemite King Hussein of Jordan moved to quash the militancy of Palestinian organizations and restore his monarchy’s rule over the country.[3] The violence resulted in the deaths of thousands of people, the vast majority Palestinian.[2] Armed conflict lasted until July 1971 with the expulsion of the PLO and thousands of Palestinian fighters to Lebanon.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September_in_Jordan
Listen U dimwit Alan–Most Jews have onething in comman–Pathological con liars and the rest hibitial ones.
Regarding your lie–the video shots shown by }}}}srealies about Palestinians cheering what happened to America on 911 was an old video from a year ago sept 11 2001. The sick Jews scattered candies for the palestinian kids and filmed it for the future all Kosher event.Just as they did the phonie planes hitting the WTC 1 and 2.
How about you being a good little boy and explain why did Shmuck Larry Silverstien allow a whole floor at WTC be given/occupied to hundreds of bogus Israel Art students (MOSSAD). Then explain,what didn’t All the Jewash media report on the plane load of Israel jews whisked away by the FBI on planes waiting at JFK airport at SEPT !! 2001 2;30 Pm but nicely/repeated the arabs cheering and Bin Ladens family leaving( but never mentioned it happened on Sept 14.
Alan,please explain to us stupid Americans why Dickfaced
Binyamin Netanyahu was in NYC on Sept 11 and was he on the Teli plane to skip out of America after his ashkenazi pals did the 911 attacks and explain how was it that he just happened to be in London and said 9-11 was “good” for US-Israeli relationship; in NYC on 9-11 and in London on 7-7 bombings
http://www.whodidit.org/cocon.html
Alan are you stupid or what?
p.s. do learn how to read and spell, smelly one.
Your ignorance as well as bigotry are showing.
And he’s calling you a dimwit:
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/cnn.asp
Claim: CNN used old footage to fake images of ‘Palestinians dancing in the street’ after the terrorist attack on the USA.
Status : False
Origins: No, CNN did not air decade-old footage of Palestinians dancing in the streets. Eason Jordan, CNN’s Chief News Executive, confirmed that the video used on CNN was in fact shot on Tuesday, 11 September2001, in East Jerusalem by a Reuters TV crew, not during the Persian Gulf conflict of 1990-91 a fact proved by its inclusion of comments from a Palestinian praising Osama Bin Laden (whose name was unlikely to have come up ten years earlier in connection with the invasion and liberation of Kuwait) as well as the appearance in the video of post-1991 automobiles. The person who made the claim quoted above has since recanted
Alan can you check this article out and comment on it and then, be a good little momma’s boy and get checked out at nearest Med clinic!
Regarding–America’s bad Jews
http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/12/01/israel-did-911-all-the-proof-in-the-world/
Interesting what kind of Nazis creep out of the toilet bowl in the morning.
First, JuJubee, with his typical scatalogical commentaries, he must have been crawling up and down David Duke’s anal cavity all night for this gem – or was it Jeremiah Wright’s.
Just a bag of old Stormfront.org manure. And I highly doubt he’s an American. If he is on American soil he needs to get off before I report him to the Mohawk Defense League. They don’t take too kindly to trash.
Which leads me to the new cockroach from Atlanta who calls himself George. Instead of stormfront droppings, he gives us something from their allies, the Islamohitlerite press that isn’t even worth commenting about.
Facts are facts. Israelis mourning American dead. Muslims in Ramallah, Gaza, (at the time) Baghdad and elsewhere celebrated the slaughter. The very least the new cockroach in Atlanta should do is as I suggested to Janice – turn over the keys to an Cherokee or Seminole and go back to Gaza. But the Nazis are always cowards – they were back in 45 and they are today, same goes for their Muslim allies aka Cockroach Georgie.
Better yet, the little girlieboys can go and join their Uncle Adolf. Seems they miss him very much.
The article is an intelligence test, and you have failed.
For starters, it claims that the WTC buildings were “worthless” because they contained asbestos, and that is why Silverstein arranged to have them destroyed. In fact, 68% of the buildings in NYC contain asbestos.
http://www.encasement.com/site/encasement/asbestos-encapsulants-2.html
No one is going to close down NYC because is it full of asbestos. Asbestos is only considered a hazard during renovation or demolishment.
In fact, the entire argument that Silverstein gained from the destruction of the WTC is specious. Silverstein has paid the Port Authority over $1 billion in rent since 2001, as required by his lease, since the WTC was destroyed, for a site he cannot rent out. He has lost numerous court cases related to his insurance on the WTC, and it’s got to be a lot easier to buy a few judges and jurors than to arrange to have planes crash into the WTC, blow it up, and keep everyone who knew about it quiet.
The number of Jews who died in the WTC was slightly higher than their proportion in the NYC area, and included Israeli citizens.
http://web.archive.org/web/20070206120745/http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2005/Jan/14-260933.html
(I found a like to this Department of State web page, but it was taken down by the DOS in 2007, so I have to use the internet wayback machine to see what the original page looked like).
The rest of the article is basically a list well-known Jews who obviously are evil because they are Jews. I am particularly amused at the skill attributed to the Jewish neo-cons who screwed up so badly with Iraq.
I was also impressed – not – by the Pakistani ISI chief accusing Israel. Pakistan, like Muslim countries around the world, blames Israel for everything from flu to pollen. Meanwhile, wikipedia cites rumors Pakistan provided funding to the 9/11 bombers, Pakistan is known to have supported the Taliban and impeded the US hunt for bin Laden, and in the realm of evil, has sold nuclear weapons secrets to bad actors around the world.
I could spend the rest of this beautiful day refuting the absurd specifics, but I’ll refer you to the well regarded Snope.com site:
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/israel.asp
and wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories#Jewish_and_Israeli_involvement
Ummmmhmmm,
For the two little not-so-nice Nazi cockroaches Jujubee and Georgie.
You might want to throw your computers out the window today. Seems they’ve been infiltrated with JEW parts.
All microsoft operating systems and Intel processors are made – in ISRAEL.
Have a nice day – don’t forget to ask Adolf if you can join him. Take Obama and Osama and Ahmedinejedad with you, as they too won’t be missed, though Adolf will have some problems with Barry O.
LOL.
If you took every incident reported and just changed the names of the countries, Israel would come out smelling like a rose. Definitely double standards. Calling your enemy on the telephone to warn its civilians while mothers and their babies are murdered in Israel deliberately by Palestinian terrorists? Definitely double standards. Shame on you, Judge Richard Goldstone for the opportunity you blew. Maybe you can make up for it some way in the future.
being barred from a grandson’s bar mitzvah
condemned by former friends
mr.goldstone may have done a good job for th U.N. but what a price.
to be called a quisling by his own people
for a report that will be used by enemies of Israel in an attempt to appease evil.
Israel may have killed civilians during war but the enemy applauds civilian suicide killers of Jews.
English anti jewish hatred is evident in daily life
If mr.goldstone decides to live elsewhere;where will he go.
the Jews in S,Africa ?
another country where Jews are tolerated?
or the last refuge of Jews.. Israel…the land his report could help hurt.Hopefully there is repentence.
Goldstone sold out his soul to the devil. End of story…
But perhaps not…I just wonder what his reporting to the UN did to smear the Serbs in Bosnia. Yes, they committed horrific atrocities…but so did the Croatians who ethnically cleansed Serbian Krajina and Knin, slaughtering and displacing countless Serbs with the approval of both the UN and Bill Clinton. Furthermore, the Croats weren’t exactly the kind of allies the Bosnian Muslims were hoping for. They occupied Mostar, destroying the ancient historic bridge and burning down the library in that town -and, in a little-known incident but verified by British Colonel Bob Stewart, who commanded a British UN force in Bosnia, the Croats marched into a Muslim village and slaughtered all its inhabitants. I’ll repeat – the Croats marched into a Muslim village and slaughtered all its inhabitants. Sick with rage, Stewart bravely confronted the Croat commander, pointed out what he and his men had done, and threatened to open fire on them, even though his force of British regulars were much smaller than the force of Croat Ustasha thugs.
And what of the Muslims themselves? True, the inhabitants of Sarajevo were and probably still are decent, secular folks but Islam of the Wahhabi and Al Qaeda variety permeated the countryside. It has been proven that Muslim militias committed atrocities as terrible as those approved by Karadzic and Milosevic.
But remember – Goldstone fingered the Serbs. He ignored the Croats and the Qaedist Muslims…and in betraying his own people he richly deserves the pariah state he’s in.
Contrast Goldstone with the former commander of British troops in Afghanistan whom the anti-Semites and self-hating slime like Janice and Jeffie ignore who openly and bravely claimed that the Israeli Defense Forces gave civilians every chance possible and acted with a restraint American and British forces would never have shown.
I’ll take the word of this NON-JEWISH British War Hero over a Leftard JINO South African (ala Kasrils) Judge of dubious integrity.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14676.htm
Just imagine if one day,these animals from }srael decide to settle in USa,what would you do to protect your country and family?
Alan–If you like Jews so much why not settle into Russia–the true homeland for the Ashkenazies. Try the same }}sreal killings of the non Jews and reclaim your ancestors Gypsy’s lands.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOSZwEwl_1Q
As a south african jew i am ashamed and disgraced by the former heroe.my message to you richard is “you have lost all our support and respect”.You will go down in the books of shame forever.
I heard Goldstone speak. He said that when the UN commissioner of human rights asked him to investigate Israel, he at 1st said no,
but when he was offered a free flight to Geneva to speak with him, he could not refuse, because as he jokingly said “BUSINESS CLASS ETHICS”. I couldn’t believe my ears. Goldstone’s jest displays his true character and his fatal flaw, Goldstone is addicted to Position and Power. In my opinion, Goldstone is an absolute disgrace to the human race!
Joe Who?
“As a south african jew i am ashamed and disgraced by the former heroe.my message to you richard is “you have lost all our support and respect”.You will go down in the books of shame forever”
Joe, you must belong to a very sick sinister cult/clan.
Listen stupid man, These sick Gloriuos B’assturd zionist Jews have cause two major Wars–WWI WWIII for the creation of }srael. Millions have died. Doesn’t that brother you and to know that Hitler, Roosevelt, Stalin, Churchill were all Blood lined FKN Jews.
Imagine this, one NY Jew comes out ( say Bloomburg) with factual evidence that Jews did Sept 11 2001 attacks. As an American, would you shame him?
If your answer is Yes–My advice- 2U-get the hell out of America you Kosher swine and back to Russia. Over 1400 Palestinians were slaughtered recently and hundreds of thousands prior– and you don’t care :^/
Dear Roach Fece aka JoJoos aka Jujubee,
I’d sooner a million Israelis in the USA than one single Muslim “DIShonor killing” roach – or some smelly Hajibi clad vermin. Yeah, vermin.
The Israelis, unlike you or your Muslim pals are civilized, decent people. In fact Netanyahu is much more qualified to be President than the Muslim Village idiot from Kenya who sits in the White House.
As for you, you still can’t spell, you still post garbage, and you’re still a coward and a liar. Crawl back into the manure filled toilet bowl you came out of, and take a few of your animal butchering pals from Hamas and the child rapists of Tehran (Ahmedinejedad and Khameini) with you. Obama too.
You won’t be missed.
To Dumb@ass J.H.
Jews brought “science, medicine, law, and many other fields too numerous to mention like the Jews do?”
Yaah! They also started and sucked us into every major wars and millions died. How is this medicine or hi tech bombs helping Palestinians–you piece of Koshersh!t?
Where do you get your facts? From a toilet bowl?
Tact: Lot more than 15 million Jew bloodlines scammers have infested the world!
You are a sad, sick puppy. It is pointless to try to engage you in a discussion based on logic or fact, since your hatred is purely visceral.
There’s no justice in this world, but I believe there’s payback in the next.
Given that belief, I certainly wouldn’t want to be you.
In the meantime, Am Yisrael Chai, so you can just suck it up, loser.
Humper49–at least my religious types haven’t been booted out of 225 countries for being sly type of evil crooks and habitual con artist liars.
Wake-up fool,the Jews are trying to do the same to the poor (real semites) Palestinians. You feel good about it? If you do,You are another Jew another slime bucket heartless B’assturd!
C’mon, you’re parodying an anti-semite, right?
You’re too silly to be taken seriously. You’re like a Borat, or an Eric Cartman, right?
By being so stupid and ridiculous, you show how absurd anti-semitism is.
thank you for your public service. Jews worldwide appreciate your willingness to make yourself look like an idiot to fight the scourge of anti-semitism.
It takes a foriegn country to expose the truth.Read it and get educated.
http://pakalert.wordpress.com:80/2010/04/18/who-really-owns-the-media-in-2010/
Humper check this article
http://disc.yourwebapps.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495;article=129676
No good crying anti-Jew crap–notice all the vermin are Zionist Jews ?
Yes! I do hate Jews who are too FKN stupid to belong to a sinister cult .
Cheers and hope someday, you swing high from one of America’s many lamp posts :^/
Hey George,
How’s your Uncle Adolf these days?
Care to join him? It can always be arranged.
Cheers, Scumbag.
JDL-get this and learn some info
Franklin D. Roosevelt , Stalin, Churchill, Hitler
Only one kept his real Jewish family name–Hitler.
Nazi term was adopted by Hitler from the most feared Eastern european tribe called Ashkenazism. Sad,these vermin have infested every country and into the Old Jewish faith. Wake-up @sshole, before the Jews do another 911 attack but million times worse.
Cheers to a JDL Kosher idiot at large
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